Tony Iommi recalled that Black Sabbath often felt they were accompanied by an otherworldly “fifth member.”

He said the well-recorded phenomenon of a feeling of a presence took place when all four members of the original lineup were together – and it was a positive experience.

“We always felt within the band that there was a fifth member,” Iommi told Mojo in a new interview. “It sounds ridiculous now, but we always felt that there was somebody overlooking us and guiding us. We felt this presence when we were all together. It was one of those things we’d refer to as being the over-self or the fifth member, looking out for us. ... We were so close as a band, we lived in each other’s pockets from the start, that we became as one. This fifth member seemed very real and there to us.”

But the guitarist reflected that when strange events happened to the band, they weren’t always good experiences. “Things always seemed to happen to us that were quite weird,” he said. “We’d be in the van, for example, and one of us would look out of the window and go, ‘Oh, look, there’s a fish-and-chip shop over there’ – and just as we’d say that, the lights would go out in the shop. There were just always strange things happening to us back then.”

In the same interview, Iommi took the blame for Black Sabbath’s retirement in 2017, citing the strain of touring as he managed his cancer treatment. “Basically, it was probably my fault,” he said. “We were having late nights and flying all the time. I can’t complain about that because we had great hotels and the best of everything, but it was making me tired. … When I spoke to my cancer professor, he said, ‘You shouldn’t be doing this to this extent.’ I started to worry constantly. I felt I had to draw the line somewhere because we couldn’t tour forever and then start writing a new album to tour again.”

He offered another reason: “I loved being with the band and doing gigs, but I hated the loneliness of the rest of it. When you get to the hotel and you’ve got a day off, you don’t know what to do … sometimes you can’t just go out because there are fans around, or you just don’t feel like going out. It’s easy to get locked into your own little world.”


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